[Archived - RigsK] Your Opinion Wanted - seeing hidden products in the Derivation Chain

Posted by “Incorruptus” on June 22, 2023.

Furthermore I can hand numerous reasons why my derivers hide the full derivable chain in ways. Can be that they derive of a mesh...add 3D mesh work to it...than launch that product also as derivable...simply because all derived items before their are by then a different mesh or less edited mesh.

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Etc. Etc...

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So also in these cases it becomes even preferable to have this new idea...as an optional setting or build into previewer and studio...it should lead to the preferred most possible and functional setup automatically?

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So seriously we need to become very detailed on which to imply this for. Since it does not prevent mesh theft or texture theft...I don't see the reasoning behind it, when we speak of investigating if there is same meshes stolen, showing somewhere in a catalog. Since sinxe we have this option to search for such. Handy. But if that function is cooked out fully and what or how it specifically searches...I don't even know. So replying on that with a green or red light is...hard to do.

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It can namely be so many legal reasons for hiding a chain of derived items...and so few reasons to control theft.

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So the only sane answer I can hand this is...transperency of the full chain ... is always better? I see no discussion needed for that? And that peiple want to research a catalog...to see if people hide their original derived items, does not directly include also a copy crime?

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I'm sure it is handy...but making this optional would still not hand latest described case...to become a xlear theft or not...so...what does it do...whem you make it optiknal well...the toil sold by imvu to look for stolen meshes...has to function correctly leading to a full answer on whether Crimes are involved or not.

Because of that need for ongoing investigation even after noticing by the tool, can be misused as well, while it is still not a crime to hode a derivable chain is...to me...completely useless...and can also be misused by original meshers or in between meshers / derivers...

So? I render your question, un-answer-able. Please specify and elaborate. :) Thanks.

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Posted by “Incorruptus” on June 22, 2023.

I mind meshes stolen and put as new items in the store, working around the need to derive from an original creator. That I call theft. But creators deriving of items, then hiding the derived item and deriving more of their own derived version, while that hides the hidden derived items, I call a personal - made legal by imvu - derivable or non derivable item of which the derived original is hidden, blocking out the original mesh or product of another creator - I call their personal choices. Specify please, which exact situation you are speaking of, before I can even answer this question.

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When I derive with one account of my other account, while I don't want to show that derive chain...than that should be and stay my choice.

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So preferable this option is not helping to do anything about the ability to look for stolen meshes at all.

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A mesh theft to me...causing need for dmca intervention, is a fully stolen mesh simply put as new mesh derived form an imvu basic item. So how will that prevemt mesh theft?

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When talking about derived with new textures...than put derivable while others use your texture...leads also to posible dmca intervention need.

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1 So before deciding what and which...I like you to become very specific, about which exact sitiations you want this change done for. You did not specify well enough.

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2 when you mean for all iyems a fully visible derivable chain...than why not? But stating that will preevent theft of meshes or texture I don't see prevented by this new idea at all. So explain how you think that will prevent theft or deriving of stolen meshes...textures on meshes etc..I do not understand why we even need to think of this?

For all else sake transperency is important...so yes a fully derivable chain for all items is of course preferable? Why even ask us RigsK?

I don't fully get this change to be serious. Ofcourse a fully derivable chain is more controled and transperent.

But I have to say...I care less. We have way bigger issues that need handling, tham this one.

But asking us if transperency on this is preferable? Yes and no...

So...please elaborate on specifics and detailed description of what situation you exactly speak of here...is needed...before we can fully really answer this.

Posted by “Insoo” on June 22, 2023.

I love the idea! We appreciate your attention to copyright infringement issues :)

Posted by “Reclusus” on June 03, 2023.

As long as it sells within it's proper category. I am all fine with it.

Posted by “Reclusus” on June 03, 2023.

Even if they want to resell it as derivable. I would care less, and if they even want to add my original mesh textures to it, I care less.

Posted by “Reclusus” on June 03, 2023.

If they hide my product being the origin, and sell better that way, or think they will sell better that way, then lol...I would not be against it. I care less.

Posted by “Reclusus” on June 03, 2023.

Simply said, I am a mesher, have many people deriving of my items, and what ever they do with their derived versions, however they want to sell them, as long as my AP items, are set AP. With my account Recluses, and Incorruptus. Both I care less, as long as they could resell it, why would I be against it lol? I mean, think along with me...for a second..I resell my mesh, so may I set the rules to it please, if IMVU allows me?

Posted by “Reclusus” on June 03, 2023.

A derived item, is a derived product that is already payed for. This means, it was at the time derived from, already set derivable. And therefor is a copy anyway, but with a user right given to derive from it. So has little to do else with handen capability to resell an item, under any condition, they please. And why not, since at any given time, the one that is derived from, profits along from the purchases. So why is this such a big deal to you? Maybe the reseller and seller simply want it put that way, IMVU makes this possible or not possible. This is set possible. You could profit just as well, and may do it your way. So has every reseller their way. as long as the product is not made dysfunctional, or has textures added that are AP while selling GP. Such. In anyway possible...is possible. So why would we be against freedoms all of a sudden now? This is just commerce. Business is business. This is the way.... I am a meshing creator myself - but do not sell copies. I do sell my own meshes. Some even with cooperative artworks on them. And still no copyright infringements. When this is covered by law, than why be against it? Derivable is derivable...that is simply how it ... always was. No strings further attached. See...the regulations for exclusions, with Ap things and such. So AP items should be set so.

Posted by “Nums” on May 27, 2023.

This is a tough one. Not sure what the best answer here is because doing so fixes a big issue but also potentially creates another..

Posted by “xAidenSteelx” on May 25, 2023.

well it's not only clothing and so on what is hidden there are also people who have made personal items like for example real life pictures i think that will be a concern when all is unhidden and all could see those you mess with their privacy here cause non could see those when they are hidden.....

Posted by “4u” on May 25, 2023.

Long overdue! as a compromise to those that don't want them shown maybe it could be set as a developer only thing. So only developer accounts can view them.

If IMVU has to unhide all products that IS a concern especially for those with large catalogues, at the very least we'd need a list of the products IMVU has unhidden, so we can go back and hide again.

Posted by “ShopTina” on May 24, 2023.

Yes!!