[Archived - JorjaStAngelius] I would like to know how it is possible for a bundle to be more expensive than if the items are sold individually and that is before I even put any profit on top for myself?
The reason I ask is I made a clothing bundle, I am not the original creator, I derived from another. I have been going back and forth with imvu for months over this and all I get it them saying that the original creator must have set the derivation fee higher for a bundle. How is that possible???? I have never seen anywhere when you submit an item that you can dictate a different price in case someone makes a bundle from your items. This would also mean that several creator have been allowed to do this as not all the items are from the same creator. I have always thought that the purpose was to also give the person buying the bundle a discount so usually the bundle is slightly cheaper than buying them individually.
So here is a breakdown of the items:
Bundle 1 - which consists of the following: Top - Derivation fee is 444, Skirt - Derivation fee is 454,Boots - Derivation fee is 454.
So the total Derivation fee is 1352. Yet the total derivation fee for this as a bundle is 2106. It cost me 754 more credits when I put this bundle together.
Which would also mean that if you buy this bundle, it will cost you 2621 but if you buy them individually it will only cost you 1883.
All of the above and I am yet to put any profit on for myself. No one is going to buy it at the increased price anyway and definitely not if I put even more on top so I make a profit.
IMVU will not help even though they have said they can see the issue. I asked for them to delete my bundle and give back my credits, which they won't. So basically I have to just hide the bundles and wear the cost.
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Posted by “JorjaStAngelius” on March 08, 2022.
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All I know is when I submit a product, it asks me how much profit I want, there is no additional section that asks "How much profit do you want if someone purchases it as a bundle" so therefore when IMVU tells me the original creator set that derivation cost for a bundle, they are lying as no one gets that option in create mode. They say they cannot fix the issue. In my opinion is must be a glitch, but they want to blame it on the creator. It amazes me that they can create this program with everything it is capable of but they cannot go in and adjust an item so that it reflects the correct pricing.
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Posted by “JorjaStAngelius” on March 08, 2022.
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@LestatDeLioncourt IMVU are putting 754 credits extra on when you put it together as a bundle and then if someone buys it then IMVU get an extra 303 credits on top of what they already get. So then get an extra 1057 credits
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Posted by “LestatDeLioncourt” on March 08, 2022.
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Yes, I understand but relating back to IMVU...
If you create 5 clothing items and individually you added 100 credits profit and then made a Clothing Bundle, you would have (500 cr) profit. But in the bundle you price a 0 cr markup? How much is IMVU adding to the bundle?
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Posted by “JorjaStAngelius” on March 08, 2022.
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@LestatDeLioncourt You have some very good points but I still think missing the point of my post :) SO I will try again...
If I go to the corner store and I buy some milk for $3 then I get out to my car an realise I also need bread so I go back in and buy some bread for $2 but then when I get home I realise I forgot eggs so I have to go back and buy them which costs $4. A total cost of $9 for buying them individually.
The next day I need these items again (I have a big family lol) but this time I remember to grab them all at once and the shop keeper charges me $15 and I ask him why as yesterday it only cost me $9.
His response is that he has to pay the producers of these items more when he sells multiple items to one person in one transaction. He also says that when this happens he makes nothing from the sale. He is basically just selling the items for the producers with no profit for himself.
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Posted by “LestatDeLioncourt” on March 07, 2022.
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I see more of what you are saying. Thanks for the clarification :)
Bundles and what I think...
Clothing Bundles are Not as profitable as Decorated Room Bundles as Clothing items can simply be bought individually and the avatar has to be "dressed" either way. No "added-value to Clothing Bundles between buying the Bundle or the pieces.
A Decorated Room Bundle (on the other hand), the customer gets a Pre-Decorated room. Like buying a house with furniture already in it. Easy Peasy *and* Value is added by the Bundle.
If you create 5 clothing items and individually you added 100 credits profit and then made a Clothing Bundle, you would have (500 cr) profit in the bundle at (0 cr) markup on the bundle, correct? How much is IMVU adding to these in the retail price? In clothing bundles, I think the customer is getting a minor convenience, of not having to visit each product page to buy them individually. Since the links are right there, it is a matter of Right Click, Open in New Tab... Over and Over. No big deal.
Suggestion for IMVU. What if when a person buys a clothing "Look", it (IMVU) automatically produces a complete "Saved Outfit"?
This idea would be similar to the added-value of a Decorated Room, the customer would not have to find the piece-parts in the catalog to buy them and the avatar would have a "Look" that is Pre-Dressed in their "Outfit Looks". Easy, convenience for the customer with "added-Value, is something to sell...
I think the Clothing Outfits and Decorated Room Bundles, etc. all need to be revisited by IMVU. It seems they produced the ability (2016?) but never "cleaned" the finial outcome. Noted customer inconvenience... To find Clothing Bundles and/or Decorated Room Bundles (Real Deco Rooms) is very hard in the current catalogs. These are fairly well hidden and only "piece parts" are easily found (searched). Giving the convenience to the prospective customer of having a "Finished" Product (Looks or Deco Room) is a very sellable feature on IMVU to both creators and the final end-customer.
I do agree; as a Creator, the current way of making any kind of bundle and spending the extra credits is not the best way to invest in your Catalog. I spend a few more minutes and make a mini-bundle on the Product Pages for the individual items. In my mind, pointing to the other "matching" products for "free" in the HTML Product Page is a better investment.
I do think our comments and ideas here in the Creator Discussions are viewed and taken into consideration for the Future of "Creating".
I try to stay optimistic as possible...
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Posted by “JorjaStAngelius” on March 07, 2022.
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@LestatDeLioncourt @Sargantana Thanks for your comments but my post actually was mainly the fact that the bundle is a lot more expensive to buy them buying the items individually. So what is the purpose of doing a bundle if the original creators have some option that clearly don't have as a creator that they can say if anyone makes a bundle from their products then it will be more expensive?? If what imvu is saying, why would anyone make a bundle? I know it actually isn't true as I personally have bought bundles and know it is never more than all the individual items added together.
SO maybe I didn't explain myself but if you derived each of the 3 items individually then it would cost you as a creator 1352 credits but if you put it together as a bundle it costs you 2106 credits....
If you purchase these 3 items as a customer then it will cost you 1981 credits but if you buy it a a bundle then it will cost you 2285 credits or more if I put some profit on for me.
Doesn't this seem weird to anyone else but me??
The option of discounting the bundle (which was a side issue) is out the widow regardless as you wouldn't do it when you are already not getting anything from making the bundle. All you are doing is giving imvu credits for nothing and wasting your time.
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Posted by “LestatDeLioncourt” on March 07, 2022.
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The 10% Markup by IMVU was removed some years ago (retroactively). This is when the same discussion was around back then. It was said we should be allowed to have a Negative Profit, But then others discussed, "Whose profit gets the negative?".
This is where everything got very sticky...
What if someone makes a bundle and none of the products are their products (only Bundleable from others)? What if all the products were from other Creators? We wouldn't have the right to give them negative profit.
Then it was suggested the negative would only be allowed of *all* the Bundleable products were from our own catalogs... But the discussion was dropped there and no more talks. I guess it was too much hair-pulling programming to sort out whose products were made by whom... :/
I like the idea of *if* all the bundled products are our own, we should be able to insert a negative profit on the Bundle as a thank you, "Bulk" Discount.
Thanks, @EmpJorjaStAngelius for the post :)
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Posted by “Sargantana” on March 07, 2022.
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Good point. Bundles should be cheaper than to buy all items individually, due with a bundle, you're selling 3, 4, 5, etc items, that maybe separately you never will sell. On vending, the logic says "hey! if you buy 2 things, the 3th will be cheaper!" And this theory is good for developer and Imvu.
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Posted by “JorjaStAngelius” on March 07, 2022.
[Archived]The reason I ask is I made a clothing bundle, I am not the original creator, I derived from another. I have been going back and forth with imvu for months over this and all I get it them saying that the original creator must have set the derivation fee higher for a bundle. How is that possible???? I have never seen anywhere when you submit an item that you can dictate a different price in case someone makes a bundle from your items. This would also mean that several creator have been allowed to do this as not all the items are from the same creator. I have always thought that the purpose was to also give the person buying the bundle a discount so usually the bundle is slightly cheaper than buying them individually.
So here is a breakdown of the items:
Bundle 1 - which consists of the following: Top - Derivation fee is 444, Skirt - Derivation fee is 454,Boots - Derivation fee is 454.
So the total Derivation fee is 1352. Yet the total derivation fee for this as a bundle is 2106. It cost me 754 more credits when I put this bundle together.
Which would also mean that if you buy this bundle, it will cost you 2621 but if you buy them individually it will only cost you 1883.
All of the above and I am yet to put any profit on for myself. No one is going to buy it at the increased price anyway and definitely not if I put even more on top so I make a profit.
IMVU will not help even though they have said they can see the issue. I asked for them to delete my bundle and give back my credits, which they won't. So basically I have to just hide the bundles and wear the cost.
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Posted by “JorjaStAngelius” on March 08, 2022.
[Archived]All I know is when I submit a product, it asks me how much profit I want, there is no additional section that asks "How much profit do you want if someone purchases it as a bundle" so therefore when IMVU tells me the original creator set that derivation cost for a bundle, they are lying as no one gets that option in create mode. They say they cannot fix the issue. In my opinion is must be a glitch, but they want to blame it on the creator. It amazes me that they can create this program with everything it is capable of but they cannot go in and adjust an item so that it reflects the correct pricing.
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Posted by “JorjaStAngelius” on March 08, 2022.
[Archived]@LestatDeLioncourt IMVU are putting 754 credits extra on when you put it together as a bundle and then if someone buys it then IMVU get an extra 303 credits on top of what they already get. So then get an extra 1057 credits
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Posted by “LestatDeLioncourt” on March 08, 2022.
[Archived]Yes, I understand but relating back to IMVU...
If you create 5 clothing items and individually you added 100 credits profit and then made a Clothing Bundle, you would have (500 cr) profit. But in the bundle you price a 0 cr markup? How much is IMVU adding to the bundle?
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Posted by “JorjaStAngelius” on March 08, 2022.
[Archived]@LestatDeLioncourt You have some very good points but I still think missing the point of my post :) SO I will try again...
If I go to the corner store and I buy some milk for $3 then I get out to my car an realise I also need bread so I go back in and buy some bread for $2 but then when I get home I realise I forgot eggs so I have to go back and buy them which costs $4. A total cost of $9 for buying them individually.
The next day I need these items again (I have a big family lol) but this time I remember to grab them all at once and the shop keeper charges me $15 and I ask him why as yesterday it only cost me $9.
His response is that he has to pay the producers of these items more when he sells multiple items to one person in one transaction. He also says that when this happens he makes nothing from the sale. He is basically just selling the items for the producers with no profit for himself.
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Posted by “LestatDeLioncourt” on March 07, 2022.
[Archived]I see more of what you are saying. Thanks for the clarification :)
Bundles and what I think...
Clothing Bundles are Not as profitable as Decorated Room Bundles as Clothing items can simply be bought individually and the avatar has to be "dressed" either way. No "added-value to Clothing Bundles between buying the Bundle or the pieces.
A Decorated Room Bundle (on the other hand), the customer gets a Pre-Decorated room. Like buying a house with furniture already in it. Easy Peasy *and* Value is added by the Bundle.
If you create 5 clothing items and individually you added 100 credits profit and then made a Clothing Bundle, you would have (500 cr) profit in the bundle at (0 cr) markup on the bundle, correct? How much is IMVU adding to these in the retail price? In clothing bundles, I think the customer is getting a minor convenience, of not having to visit each product page to buy them individually. Since the links are right there, it is a matter of Right Click, Open in New Tab... Over and Over. No big deal.
Suggestion for IMVU. What if when a person buys a clothing "Look", it (IMVU) automatically produces a complete "Saved Outfit"?
This idea would be similar to the added-value of a Decorated Room, the customer would not have to find the piece-parts in the catalog to buy them and the avatar would have a "Look" that is Pre-Dressed in their "Outfit Looks". Easy, convenience for the customer with "added-Value, is something to sell...
I think the Clothing Outfits and Decorated Room Bundles, etc. all need to be revisited by IMVU. It seems they produced the ability (2016?) but never "cleaned" the finial outcome. Noted customer inconvenience... To find Clothing Bundles and/or Decorated Room Bundles (Real Deco Rooms) is very hard in the current catalogs. These are fairly well hidden and only "piece parts" are easily found (searched). Giving the convenience to the prospective customer of having a "Finished" Product (Looks or Deco Room) is a very sellable feature on IMVU to both creators and the final end-customer.
I do agree; as a Creator, the current way of making any kind of bundle and spending the extra credits is not the best way to invest in your Catalog. I spend a few more minutes and make a mini-bundle on the Product Pages for the individual items. In my mind, pointing to the other "matching" products for "free" in the HTML Product Page is a better investment.
I do think our comments and ideas here in the Creator Discussions are viewed and taken into consideration for the Future of "Creating".
I try to stay optimistic as possible...
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Posted by “JorjaStAngelius” on March 07, 2022.
[Archived]@LestatDeLioncourt @Sargantana Thanks for your comments but my post actually was mainly the fact that the bundle is a lot more expensive to buy them buying the items individually. So what is the purpose of doing a bundle if the original creators have some option that clearly don't have as a creator that they can say if anyone makes a bundle from their products then it will be more expensive?? If what imvu is saying, why would anyone make a bundle? I know it actually isn't true as I personally have bought bundles and know it is never more than all the individual items added together.
SO maybe I didn't explain myself but if you derived each of the 3 items individually then it would cost you as a creator 1352 credits but if you put it together as a bundle it costs you 2106 credits....
If you purchase these 3 items as a customer then it will cost you 1981 credits but if you buy it a a bundle then it will cost you 2285 credits or more if I put some profit on for me.
Doesn't this seem weird to anyone else but me??
The option of discounting the bundle (which was a side issue) is out the widow regardless as you wouldn't do it when you are already not getting anything from making the bundle. All you are doing is giving imvu credits for nothing and wasting your time.
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Posted by “LestatDeLioncourt” on March 07, 2022.
[Archived]The 10% Markup by IMVU was removed some years ago (retroactively). This is when the same discussion was around back then. It was said we should be allowed to have a Negative Profit, But then others discussed, "Whose profit gets the negative?".
This is where everything got very sticky...
What if someone makes a bundle and none of the products are their products (only Bundleable from others)? What if all the products were from other Creators? We wouldn't have the right to give them negative profit.
Then it was suggested the negative would only be allowed of *all* the Bundleable products were from our own catalogs... But the discussion was dropped there and no more talks. I guess it was too much hair-pulling programming to sort out whose products were made by whom... :/
I like the idea of *if* all the bundled products are our own, we should be able to insert a negative profit on the Bundle as a thank you, "Bulk" Discount.
Thanks, @EmpJorjaStAngelius for the post :)
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Posted by “Sargantana” on March 07, 2022.
[Archived]Good point. Bundles should be cheaper than to buy all items individually, due with a bundle, you're selling 3, 4, 5, etc items, that maybe separately you never will sell. On vending, the logic says "hey! if you buy 2 things, the 3th will be cheaper!" And this theory is good for developer and Imvu.
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