[Archived - RigsK] Important Update - Requiring VIP for Earn Money Program

Posted by “Sylaraia” on July 20, 2023.

People inadvertently get into these discussions and forget that what is legal isn't necessarily ethical. It is invariably the ethics of a situation that has people distraught when it comes to white collar stuff, and not the legalities.

Posted by “Erieann” on July 20, 2023.

You are giving what you perceive is illegal and legal. Sadly, while many of the creators here agree that a lot of it is not cool and unfair.... it is legal. Once you click that "create account" and "agree" on being a creator. Again, you can argue it but you'll end up looking like a smurf.... blue with frustration. So I'm gonna bow out here. I see no foreseeable reason to continue a conversation with someone who contradicts themselves and is argumentative for no productive reason. Good luck going forward.

Posted by “Sylaraia” on July 20, 2023.

This is what I was commenting on prior. I think what they call it nowadays is malicious compliance. I'm fairly certain that IMVU is required by statute or law to notify us of TOS changes. But they also know that practically no one has the time or patience to re-read the TOS each and every time they change it; especially when you're getting the same notifications from each and every subscription service.

Company's know damn well know this. While whatever lawmaker had good intentions, the fact of the matter is that IMVU can change the TOS to its hearts content until they get what they want without a protest this way. The statutes should require them to specifically list what got changed when they notify you.

Posted by “N3rdyGirl” on July 20, 2023.

Also, According to my emails, I did not receive any significant attempt at notice of this change. I only found out because I happen to still have friends who create; otherwise I probably would have found out in a month or so when I checked to make a payout and the option was gone.

Posted by “N3rdyGirl” on July 20, 2023.

@Erieann​ and @jacquiline515​ I'm almost positive that when IMVU discontinued the reseller program and created the direct cash payouts, they had everyone agree to an updated agreement. It may have changed multiple times since then given it was wrapped into the VIP program already (the event in which we were grandfathered in), but, initially, when they ended resellers, we agreed to a program that offered cash payouts without a subscription requirement.

I've said before and I'll say again: they are free to change the terms, dissolve existing contracts, and establish new ones under the new terms. Then each person can decide if they want to continue. I personally think that is in bad taste for the creators that were here from the beginning (and have spent a lot of money on things new users don't have to).

Also, part of that process should have been bottoming-out accounts that choose not to agree to the new contract, regardless of if it meets the $50 minimum. They should have said VIP required by July 1: at that time, any accounts without VIP will stop earning cash and can request a final payout once their pended transactions have fully processed.

Posted by “jacquiline515” on July 20, 2023.

I never once said anything that i do not agree to thier terms either please tell me where i said that any place .

Posted by “jacquiline515” on July 20, 2023.

Sorry no it is not it is not legal at all , if you never put your siganture to any of it then it is not legal to make it stand up in a court anyplace . anyone can say anything they like they can give you thier word and make all kinds of promises and then go back on it anytime they like to .that does not make it legal, all that is is white noise , and that being said imvu does it all the time they say one thing then they go and do another and the reason being is they know thier i no legal contract binding them to us anyplace so they can go make all the changes they like , if any of us would of signed any of those contracts then maybe you would be able to put a stop to thier changes depending on what is all stated in the contract , but without it you cant and secondly i am not the one who need legal advice here, i was just stating a fact , thirdly the W-Ben form we had to sign with our verifying signature has nothing to do with imvu that is for imcome tax purposes only nothing to do with our relationship here with imvu , that is for IRS purposes , and between us and the IRS and the IRS and imvu, no were on it does it state or ask you if you work or have any kind of relationship with imvu, we put in our own time here we actually do not work for them other than the time we put in to make stuff that they make a huge profit from , and we earn benifits from what we produce by reciving credits and credits to cash for some . no were did it even ask me anything about what i do here on that form, and it shouldnt because that is not what its purpose is for , fourthly when i recive any payment for product i made and put my time into it i am them recieving credtis for my time here if yo sell something on ebay do you think you should not get paid for it , or should you just give it away , and that is called a exhange an exchange for something to recieve something is all it is and my time and whne i recieve payment for it that is also an exhange only and i never put my signature or name to any of it so thier fore it is only an exchange for goods and services , and fithly as for that judge who told you that ignorance is no excuse that one is good esopeically the fact from what i have saw and have met many erogant and ignoramuss judges in my time and they all should be living by those words becasue thier are many who do not play by the rules or live by that word at all and thye should eat thier words becasuse it is all legal ees to them and thye all stood up and took an oath to dugilantlly uphold and to protect the law and its citizens with due process and i am yet to see any of them do so , and i also never once ever stated that the TOS terms are not thier nor have i ever said once i never read them i was clearly only making an example of what is being done ilegal and legal .

Posted by “Polystyrene” on July 20, 2023.

Just wanted to point out that by simply using this site, we agree to the terms of service. We don't have to 'sign' anything. It is explicitly written.

"IF YOU DO NOT AGREE WITH ANY OF THESE TERMS, DO NOT ACCESS OR OTHERWISE USE THE SERVICES. BY CLICKING “CREATE ACCOUNT” OR USING, OR CONTINUING TO USE, THE SERVICES, YOU AGREE TO ABIDE BY EACH OF THE TERMS SET FORTH BELOW."

Posted by “Polystyrene” on July 20, 2023.

It hasn't been mentioned as far as I know.

Posted by “LestatDeLioncourt” on July 20, 2023.

Sorry to ask but, I have been away with family tragedy. No one can read through all this junk for an answer :/

Posted by “LestatDeLioncourt” on July 20, 2023.

Does anyone know if we "funnel accounts" into one payout, can we still set one of the funneled accounts to Credits (occasionally) with the remaining accounts being to Money?

Posted by “Erieann” on July 20, 2023.

See I didn't get a notice about this change to the creator agreement or TOS and that is because I do not participate in the earn cash program. I learned from a fellow creator that does participate in the earn cash program. Any other time there has been a change to the services that I personally use or what have you, I have always received a message with a link to the forums to check out what is going on. No the message does not say "read the new TOS". Usually it says that in the forum posting without being as direct about it. Forum posting usually tells us what the new deal is, when it will take effect, then wait until said date... go pull up the TOS, creator agreement, etc and then download/print it after reading it. I don't know anything about a "pay raise" but that's probably because I'm one of those wonderful credit earners and for those that don't remember... kinda bites earning those too.

@jacquiline515​ that point could also be proven by using any online service or making any online purchase. As for selling accounts, it's common sense to know that if you choose to do anything in life, it is your responsibility to be accountable for all that you do and your own personal information. You sell an account, which is against the TOS, then you need to be prepared to make sure everything is changed so you are not held responsible for anything done on that account. If you didn't, that's on you. Honestly, you can try and argue the point which is going to be exhausting but it still doesn't change anything as the TOS you have to agree to when you sign up for an account and the creator agreement you have to agree to when you sign up for a creator account. You are given more than enough ways to see those agreements and decide if you agree to it or not. I will only repeat that the change has been made, it would be a good idea to go read that TOS and creator agreement, seek out legal advice if needed, and make an informed decision before doing anything else further. I wish you luck.

Posted by “shopdaisylogo” on July 20, 2023.

They never send out any notice to say read the new tos, so we never know when they change anything, the other thing also is we was promised a pay rise years ago it never happened. When staff leave and new ones take over no one knows what was agreed, the whole place is a shambles most cs haven,t got a clue, and lots of staff have been helped out by grandfathered account members, spelling out problems on tos that have been broken.

Posted by “jacquiline515” on July 20, 2023.

Anyone could click on a TOS agreement button prove it was me or it could of been done by acicent and you were unaware you clicked it you dont know if someone hacked that perosns acount either and clicked that button do you , and many people also have purchaced other peoples imvu acounts for sale as well maybe they clicked it on prove it was me how does by clicking anything to agree upon make it actually legal it dont , so is my point .

Posted by “jacquiline515” on July 20, 2023.

lol, totally different thing when you make a purchace on most things thier not asking or telling you to agree to anything and if they do most will have you sign something like an agreement saying you agree to it and without it it does not have a legal leg to stand on when it comes to doing things lawfully and unlawfuly or properly, and as for you winning in court i am happy for you because not many do so you just got lucky ,