[Archived - RigsK] Important Update - Requiring VIP for Earn Money Program

Posted by “TER” on June 03, 2023.

Will imvu require three accounts to be linked or can two accounts be linked, one with VIP and one without?

Posted by “DarkEminence” on June 03, 2023.

The ONLY viable solution is the withdrawal of this absolute insult towards ALL veteran creators! The proposal is just a natural outcome of aiming to achieve some balance in what is anyway imbalanced. As you well put it, creators around are as diverse as their earning. One cannot (and SHOULD NOT) impose on them any further. It has been imposed enough over the years in various ways. And the solution itself, only prooves how wrong it strikes and dissrespectful towards all creators things are if as much as THINK about this new direction imvu is taking. So in an uptopical attempt to balance, ethics are being ditched. And that's the end of it! Affected or not affected, this is perhaps the lowest kind of move any company could ever make towards its patrons.

Posted by “DarkEminence” on June 03, 2023.

"Freemium business model" and " one that we hope will last forever!" Very nice. It appears "forever" only lasted for about 10 or so years. Again, something else was promised, built upon, created towards in the beggining, and whatever new staff is here today is actively striving to ruin it.

Posted by “MentalShadow” on June 03, 2023.

I see your perspective, and I completely agree with your point about IMVU operating as a business (After all there are no free services in this life except the oxygen we breath and a few other things).

Your journey resonates with me, as I too started as a hobbyist, cherishing the joy and fulfillment that came with turning my passion into earnings.

But, I think we need to realize that this decision, while benefiting IMVU financially, could potentially lead to some creators, particularly those with lower earnings, stepping away. This could result in a loss of diversity and vibrancy that has always been a strength of IMVU community.

In truth, this move is not detrimental to me personally although I totally and highly disagree with the Ethics behind that move, but having been with IMVU since 2009, I've witnessed firsthand the effort, struggle, time, and financial investment creators put into this platform. It would be disheartening to see some of these dedicated individuals, particularly those who have been around for so long, leave due to financial constraints ( I already know a few who won't be able to go on after this ).

Certainly, it's important to respect all creators, regardless of income level. But, I firmly believe that IMVU could express gratitude to its long-standing and devoted creators by reconsidering this plan. I hope, just as you do, that a solution that works for everyone, can be found.

Posted by “bammcrime” on June 03, 2023.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhwgyKDPHG4 i advice Staff to watch this vid from old CEO Cary Rosenzweig ( Avatar CaryJay) . You might learn something

Posted by “MissMaya” on June 03, 2023.

I am afraid that although I see your point, IMVU is a business and I don't think they can give free rides unless it is financially beneficial to the platform. Creating that is unsustainable I call a hobby because I was once in that situation and IMVU was a hobby to me, a creative outlet, until it became a job. I talk from experience that I had to invest a lot but in turn I attained knowledge that will far outlive my stay on IMVU.

But what you are suggesting is not respectful to creators that also financially sustain the platform with a large part of their income. Why should a person that cannot pay a small fee be allowed to create for free when a lot of "high income" creators must pay in order to access money they have earned years ago?

Don't get me wrong, this whole situation sucks for everyone. But that is not a viable solution because it simply doesn't make sense to punish one part of the community that already pays so much in fees and taxes and whos sales sustain the platform. Who is to say that a high earning creator is not struggling? Can you measure a persons expenses too by what they earn? It is impossible to do so.

So a solution should be viable for everyone regardless of income, if legacy creators who can't afford to be here don't have to pay then no legacy creator should.

Posted by “bammcrime” on June 03, 2023.

@shopdaisylogo​ Yes i know. then you must know/remember "CaryJay" too ... " Most of our revenue came from a marketplace of crowdsourced content, where individuals sold 3D items to consumers who bought virtual currency from IMVU." is what he said in an interview. And there you have it... loud and clear. And indeed i know why Varsha left suddenly... i heard it from multiple people on and outside IMVU. She couldnt stand the changes and the direction imvu was going in... as i heard she had multiple discusions with Brett back then about the whole mobile thing...the move too.and she even was trying to stop him going on with it..( both next and mobile.) but as staff on the forum she had to defend it over and over to the users. while she didnt like or even hated it herself. I could see it more and more in here posts ... and when she heard of imvu will be sold to.. and what it will become. she jumped off the boat . ( i think that was end 2016 )

I remember one of the staff's coming in my imvu ex wife's room(s) and her friends. They where doing all kinds of fashion shows.. trigger dj competitions ( friendly) and themed partys for everyone , all the time. He liked what they were doing and he supported it 100% . He even gave her 20K credits a couple of times to keep the events going. and to buy and decorate rooms with it. Most of the times he came in the rooms to see.

Posted by “MentalShadow” on June 03, 2023.

I appreciate your input, but it's critical to understand that not every creator shares the same financial capability. Labeling creators as "hobby" might be dismissive and could be perceived as derogatory to those who simply don't earn as much. The reality is, what might be a negligible $10 for a high-earning creator can be a substantial burden for those earning less. I was not aiming to segregate creators but instead to advocate for a system that acknowledges the disparity in income levels and treats all creators fairly.

And yes absolutely, I agree that paying for professional services is the norm in this life. But, we need to remember that for some creators who have already invested heavily to establish their presence in this community, this added cost could be the tipping point that ends their creative journey. This isn't just about an individual's financial struggle; it's about preserving the diversity and richness of the IMVU community. At the end of the day, everyone, regardless of their stature, should be thinking of ways to sustain their participation, not place further barriers on their path.

Posted by “MissMaya” on June 03, 2023.

The logic in this is a bit flawed, at least in the first part of your post.

Why should the "high income" creator "pay to be paid" when the hobby creator doesn't pay anything? Why would the person that enjoys IMVU as a hobby not have to pay anything for the privilege of creating? Doesn't the creator that earns a living from IMVU have vastly more expenses derived from their professional activities here? Shouldn't those creators that in themselves generate more income for IMVU itself have more of a "right" to not pay?

End of the line is we cannot again segregate grandfathered creators into groups of who deserves more to not pay to be paid, no one has a right to do that and everyone personal and professional circumstances are different. Either we all pay or we don't.

Saying that, I would rather pay for something that is of professional use to me.

Posted by “MentalShadow” on June 03, 2023.

Your concerns echo my own. This sudden shift leaves me pondering the legal implications and wondering if our "contracts" as creators offer any shield against such decisions. IMVU's staff owes us a clear and transparent explanation for this change, along with a solid understanding of our contractual protections.

Posted by “MentalShadow” on June 03, 2023.

@RigsK​  It clearly seems the current solution largely benefits the well-established, high-earning creators and puts smaller creators at a disadvantage.

Many small-scale creators form the heart of IMVU's diversity and creativity. They may not have the same earning capacity, but their contributions are no less important. It's crucial to ensure they too have a fair and feasible platform to continue their creative pursuits.

Therefore, might I propose a tiered approach to VIP subscriptions? For instance, creators earning over $500 a month could be required to maintain a VIP subscription, while those earning less could continue to create without this obligation. This could ensure a more balanced and inclusive environment for all creators, regardless of their income level.

It's crucial to remember that IMVU's strength lies in its vibrant and diverse creator community. As a company that wants to have at least a glimpse of ethics in this, you should ensure that you uphold that strength by ensuring your policies are equitable and supportive for all creators, not just the financially successful ones.

Finally, it's important to note that IMVU's financial stability is not solely reliant on VIP subscriptions; the platform will continue to earn significantly from the sales in creators' shops. This inescapable fact underscores the necessity of showing due respect to the Grandfather Creators. They laid the foundation of the marketplace we enjoy today and should not be overlooked or disregarded. IMVU's ethical obligation extends beyond mere profits; it lies in honoring and sustaining the community that helped build its success.

Posted by “XCorpsBrideX” on June 03, 2023.

All what u said

Posted by “DarkEminence” on June 03, 2023.

See the ghosts of the past refference in my above post ;)

Posted by “XCorpsBrideX” on June 03, 2023.

Yes,this happened to me too many times,i changed to only cash today just to see how much sales i have next week and then i'll turn on only credits so i can cash my money at end of the month.

Posted by “Incorruptus” on June 03, 2023.

I'd buy those.