[Archived - RigsK] Important Update - Requiring VIP for Earn Money Program

Posted by “Hexadecimal” on June 02, 2023.

This is ridiculous. Why would you charge money to the people that make this game playable. The people that make this program WORTH SPENDING MONEY ON. 15 years of generating basically free work for this company and now you want me to pay for the privilege of collecting my pennies? no thanks.

Posted by “Smaro” on June 02, 2023.

Hello there...I'm stupid...Can someone explain it to me like I am a 5 year old pls? My creator status says veteran. What does that mean? I create from 2010, I signed the creator agreement when Vip was not required. I started earn payments on 2015 tho, is this relevant? Do I need vip to create and earn cash or not?

Posted by “Incorruptus” on June 02, 2023.

I ADVOCATE A NEW RULE!

Dear RigsK,

I want a three month trial membership for all new members that do not pay. If they do not start after irritating us for three months, then wipe them! They mislead us, irritate us, hand our network the deformaties we are dealing with and which is costing IMVU money....and our patience and good will. When they want to create a new account every three months, this must be stopped. These must be exited from our network...since we do not wish to pay for their silly irritations and misuse of our features. Wipe them - Right now!

I want all non paying members, except for grandfather accounts, to be loosing their account and ability to make new ones, without paying for it. So after three month of begging around on IMVU and sitting here annoying us all...wipe them! And stop creating features for those non paying members...start only building our features, on demands and wishes of paying and actively creating members.

The rest...after your three month trial...MUST BE WIPED! It endangers our continuity. They joined us without honors without merci, why hand them?! :) And add this new regulation A.S.A.P. I demand it as a double paying active creator/mesher...and advisor since the dawn of time here...wipe the barbies and ken baby beggars sir!

Good luck sir, have an awesome day!

Posted by “Spikes” on June 02, 2023.

Another thing i would highly suggest is maybe polling future updates to the community, like jagex does with runescape. Ask the community first, See the community's response BEFORE you push the update... IMVU has made a lot of dumb, un-necessary decisions over the past decade, which in the end affected the population of their user base, Which also affects my, and other creators shops. Less people to buy our products, The less revenue for both IMVU and their creators. A lot of which came from IMVU shooting themselves in the foot the past decade.

Posted by “Incorruptus” on June 02, 2023.

I last not least stress to say, Grandfather accounts, is an understatement and a low self esteem outing, of new members. We helped you found IMVU. We where here before the rest even saw you. We where honored by handing us the ability and title of creators that helped you grow.

Stripping away this honorable title and it's known surplus is a stripping of our ranks. And undermines what we did for you in the past. So it is now that we notice that you need more funds for the new feautres and holding those up....that we are called upon again.

And I will and was paying for VIP memberships even having the grandfather title, for many months if not years at the time. Being stripped of my rank is,... to say the least... very low social values you still have for us...that helped you found IMVU. I am 100% sure, that many of us grandfathers also have new accounts, and also pay VIP's on those. At least I do. Being stripped of this honor...is for me no issue...I do not care about honor. But I can imagine other grandfathers and -mothers, do have this issue. And having issues with IMVU Inc, and between us, is not a good thing.

We need to solve this...in ways, people can find themselves reflected and honored and not stripped of honors. You now removed their so called nomination title...and with low self esteem call us grandfatherrs...

I am 48 years dear IMVU and totally no grandfather, and not old school. I am of every school from the past upto the new ones. So do not call me "Grandfather" that for a start, would be already less discriminating and less insocial. I feel I need to say this, because of the honorable title coming with honorable abilities YOU handed us, and now you strip away from us? Is...

Decided by who? You...or us? Or can we make this a you and us,...change....uphold my previous advise...it will...save your network...IMVU.

Thank you, stay safe...and of course I will pay VIP diamond or Platinum,...who the heck cares...I want IMVU to be healthy and strong, you deplete yourself clearly, by listening to too many new member...that do not pay at all! Feel free to wipe them all I would say. Nobody needs them, their even prevent us from sometimes getting the service we need, because of all their silly things going on, which do not support your finances at all.

We support you,..and I will. But I also want you to be maintaining our full features...with this new regulation...we pay for it. Feel free...to drop the Phone app...first!

Than we talk...about how to get your finances, going up again.........

This is my last reply to this subject. I said my things, handed you my advise and money,...so...don't mess around with it,...and do not import more Barbie accounts by our phone app! Since they ask ask ask,....and pay for nothing....we pay for them...I hope that is clear!

And wipe all beggars! NOW please. They cost us...and gain us nothing, while we pay pay pay.

So :? thank you for stripping away my titles...and honors,...but work for it now please! Time to hand us back our great network. bye bye Barbie! Have a great day!

Posted by “Spikes” on June 02, 2023.

You charge me to upload. You take a big cut of my sales profit. Now you want me to pay you to get what little profit i do make, which is only a few cents per sale as is.... You cater to mobile users, Not because it's the right thing to do, But because it's the easiest way for you to make a quick buck.

Do you not earn enough from ripping profits from me, and the other tens of thousands of creators, of their effort and their creations? It's almost like you should have listened to PC users a little more. So many stupid changes have been made over the years, Causing SO many of the old users just to up and quit.

IMVU Never even publicly announced this, But imvu classic is in sunset mode. What this means is that there will be no new features for classic. There are only 1 or 2 devs give or take ONLY for bug fixes for classic. If you want to create and see imvu products with the improved graphics on classic, You are boned. And i fear that one day, Even soon maybe, IMVU classic will no longer work whatsoever. I suggest the IMVU team tread lightly, As i can only imagine the majority of their creators still create on and use classic.... And yet classic still, even after reporting the crashes, Will crash when someone joins the room... This has been going on for years. This could be easily fixed by just using imvu next, But that's aside from the point. SO many of my friends quit when imvu next rolled out. NOBODY i know uses imvu next, Because it's like mobile on a pc client. Both of the clients use the same coding language. If an option for a classic user interface were implemented, I would gladly switch over. Now. I prefer the way next feels and performs. i just can not STAND the home interface, The chats, The standing spots... Any of it. I want my classic, And so does everyone else on classic.

I understand the banning of 3rd party resellers. Even that caused some backlash toward IMVU. But now it's like IMVU can't get enough of finding new ways to shoot themselves in the foot, To get rid of as much of their original customer base as possible... From this update, To the removal of the sexual preference option, and anything in between.... IMVU has, And clearly will continue to make some VERY, very dumb changes. I fear for the future of IMVU. My suggestion to imvu is to stop making so many decisions that causes their community to consider leaving the platform. Because at the end of the day... We are your boss. We pay you.

Love me or hate me.

Posted by “Incorruptus” on June 02, 2023.

I do also need to mention,.... most grandfathers have multiple accounts, most of them new ones. And also they pay already for VIP descriptions, as well as some with diamond ones. And that you make double the income on such members, means, you have...a problem to solve, socially. Solve it please - according to my advise, thanks!

Posted by “Incorruptus” on June 02, 2023.

Dear RigsK, IMVU created this issue. So IMVU must enable grandfather accounts, to pay back in time, so still be able to pay for the months/years they had no VIP on, since the new tier system started. That would be a credible and social solution. Thank you, I am 100% sure you understand what I am writing, and since it is positive on IMVU's behalf, enable my advise to be possibility, for grandfather accounts that have this issue now, to undo their issue, by still paying for the months they did not have this VIP diamond whatever description.

That you change things is fine, specially when it upholds equality amongst developers, but also enable the problems you create for grandfather accounts which might be hurt by this, to still pay, for the months in order to uphold their ability for payout.

I am fine with paying for a diamond whatever vip thing. No problem.

Good luck! :) I am sure you are with me on this one....it will help solve the tension IMVU created now.

Thank you.

Posted by “Incorruptus” on June 02, 2023.

Although deceiving, since we should have heared this announcement, when the new tier system was launched in order to be able to exact to the new regulations and be able to honestly adapt to it's new rule. There for this is deceiving. And mean a trust break by IMVU Inc.

BUT - It is not a bad regulations since it nears a wish for equality, which is important. I am therefor fine with the new regulation. But grandfather creators which had no possibility to react to this before new regulations started, MUST BE COMPENSATED. They should be made able to still pay for the period, back in time. To solve this issue. When IMVU enables this ability for them to pay a Diamond VIP or whatever - from the dat the new tier system started, than I am relaxed because of this, and IMVU is out of blame.

I advise IMVU Inc. to enable grandfather accounts without a vip diamond description from the date the new tier system started, to pay for the period up till now, to hold up their payout abilities, than I have no issues with IMVU because of this. Since then a grandfather account is able to decide whether they want that or not.

Since IMVU Inc. caused this problem, it is also in your hands to solve this credibly and with good intent. So not this fast IMVU...but think properly,...thank you. Enable these grandfather accounts, to overcome the issue you put in front of them, since it is your problem, not theirs. Undo this problem please. Thank you.

Posted by “shopdaisylogo” on June 02, 2023.

We are already paying per item for the privilege of having it then shop. We do not need to be paying any sort of money for the release of our FUNDS. It is like staff working for their pay then being asked ow you have to do overtime or we are not paying you what you earned. We are self employed, we pay our own taxes. We are paid commission on everything that is sold from our shops. Our cash is not yours, friends, members, bought our products in good faith knowing the hard work that is put into our products, so you imvu can earn from us. YOU HAVE NO RIGHT IN HOLDING OUR CASH, we submitted items in our shops out of our earnings to make money. You benefited from this and still do.

You have no right asking us to part with even more of our earnings so we can actually access our money. We are paid commission on products that are sold, we do not get the full amount. You are robbing your own members and creators, this is nothing short of theft.

Posted by “jazzKat” on June 02, 2023.

@RigsK​ so what I'm not understanding about all this is the following;

Why not create a separate tier that specifically caters to Creators needs?

As many have already said here and elsewhere, they don't need a lot of the services that come with the higher tier VIP subs, so why not create one that's stripped of that but includes pay-out access?

That way Creators can still receive pay-outs while selectively purchasing the extras as and when they need them... nothings worse that having credits accrue that can't be used.

Is there some systemic issue creating new levels in addition to the old ones?

Posted by “Roy” on June 02, 2023.

If we link our accounts for the payouts, would it still display how much each of the accounts earned?

Posted by “Vorvolaka” on June 02, 2023.

Honestly, this is just the last little straw. On top of the communication problems with your user base, the lack of transparency, Beta still missing so many features/quality of life updates, IMVU making non grandfathered creators pay for this crap already, the way the creator tier system works now, and the fact that my and many people's earnings have plummeted the past two years... If IMVU was making more progress in certain areas I might be more inclined to set the money aside to buy VIP. It's not worth it. I'm not going to willingly support a company that does nothing but step on the people that make it even worth playing.

Posted by “Vorvolaka” on June 02, 2023.

@RigsK​ Again I'm pleading with you or someone else on staff to answer me this one question! Why was this decision made?

It's ethically dubious at best but I think more transparency on your end as a company would be extremely welcomed. I'm so sick of shouting into the void because no one on staff answers in the forums, no one is answering here. Getting someone to answer a help ticket takes ages... Please, why was this choice made? That's all I want to know. If this company is going under I only think it's fair that you let people know who are relying on it as a source of income.

Posted by “Vorvolaka” on June 02, 2023.

Okay this is fine for some creators maybe, but you're still forgetting about the rest of us.